good point, however, take islam for instance, islam is one of the closest religions that believe is christ as a savior, and even though no one knows this, even islam veiws jesus as a savior, but if you go to a person who is christian and tell him that someone is muslim , they will prejudge them automatically, and vise versa, this is only because of a implemented plan which has installed biased mindstates in most of us, and as your belief system makes up who you are then what better way to control someone than by manipulating his mind by making him believe in things that give you an advantage. this is only natural and human nature. when we feel a need to remove ourselves from a situation we may lie. this is the prime example of what i mean.if you are a person that lies, and knows of it's capabilities then you will use deception in order to get what you want as most of the times it is the most effective weapon one can possess. and so by doing this have you not manipulated a person to believe? and if you think about it in a since, when you are born , you are born into a system which is already made up for you to jump in and flow along with the rest. lets say for one instant we took two people being born , one of which was born just as the average everyday person. and the other placed in a natural place, with no knowledge of any existance of a set up system. and let him come up in such environment,, which of the two will be the one with the most truth .us as human are only what we have learned to be, and our learning has been manipulated by others.how can we go back when we are so far down the wrong road most people in existance are not aware, and those that are , are the very ones to fault for its continuence. and the ones who are aware and are against the movement are only aware to a certain extent. it is like looking through a solid brick wall, you know someone is doing something behind it, but you can never tell what exactly it is. the simple fact we know the gov. are up to alot of things is the fact that they hide alot of things... if they were up to nothing then they would not have anything to hide.
I read this thread and believed it to be a call to the reasoning table, but I'm confused, cause while I appreciate your response, you speak of what is clearly known. Reasoning is an attempt at a solution rather than an attempt at identifying the problem--perhaps both, but more emphasis should be put on the solution. I would think that in this thread the 'thinkers' are not limited by systems, or by the traditions and myths of their youth. While talking about the problem is temporarily satisfying, joy comes with resolution and resolutions come by knowing we are directing our energies toward forming/drafting decrees or demands; but let me know if I am in the wrong thread.