Let me recap because it really seems like you're trying to dodge my point.
First, you quoted that passage from Deuteronomy and claimed that it's the penalty for walking away from God. I gave you the example of Sweden and Denmark. Again, these are two countries that started out as good, Christian nations like any other European state. If I'm not mistaken, they still have a state church. So it's not as if they started out secular. But now they are, as is a lot of Europe to a lesser degree. You were talking about how man has walked away from God and turned towards logic and philosophy and what have you. You then stated that there is a punishment for this. And now when I give you an example of societies that have done what you were warning against, you add new conditions.
Oh, Sweden doesn't count because they don't claim to be one nation under God. Oh, Sweden doesn't count because it's somehow not in God's House, even though they started off as a Christian nation! I only pointed them out because they committed the exact crime that you warned against. But apparently they don't count. Come on! Your whole argument is ad hoc. I mean, let's look at what you wrote before:
I am truly sorry, sickened, by the attitude toward God. Men have reasoned His uselessness and fruitlessness, thus doing away with Him for the comfort of "logic", philosophy and pleasure. This reality, whether you understand it or not, proclaim my failures as a believer.
Doesn't this describe most of secular society and especially Northern European countries? Come on man. If there were all these other conditions in the first place, then why didn't you say so?
Believers are judged first according to IPeter and I am using that verse and others like it to refrain from bringing into this discussion Denmark and Sweden.
So nonbelievers aren't judged for their rejection of the God? Since when? Rejection of God and especially rejection of God in favor of another God are offenses that warrent the death penalty in the Old Testament.
Excuse me, but where did I make that assertion? I think destruction and poverty, the effects, are the consequences of foolishness and trusting in man's way?
The passage you quoted describes a collective punishment. God's wrath for a society that rejects Him. Furthermore, the Old Testament as a whole is filled with examples of collective punishments either commanded, carried out or condoned by God. Remember when Dina is raped? All the men in the villiage of the rapist, Shekkham are killed for his crime. God never condemns this. How about when God sends plagues to the people of Egypt because of the actions of their pharaoh? He even kills children, who could not have possibly been responsible for any crime. What about when one of God's greatest prophets , Moses, orders the destruction of every Midionite man, woman, and male child (the virgin girls were, of course, to be taken by the Israelite men, obviously). Again, even if every adult is guilty the children, who cannot be guilty, are being punished. So God clearly favors collective punishment. There's just no escaping this. I'm sorry for my assumption though. You apparently disagree with the God of the Old Testament on this. But if that's the case, why quote from it at all? Why not just take the route of Marcion and scrap the whole thing?
And besides, even ignoring all of this, your position is still falls apart on its own terms. If a crumbling society is just the effect of turning away from the ways of God and embracing the ways of man, philosophy, logic etc then Sweden and Denmark should still be feeling these effects you've described! As secular societies, they by definition follow the ways of man! And yet, here they are. They're doing just fine.
I just don't think there's any merit to your position. If all you want to claim is that common decency is necessary for a decent society then that's fine. But that's not the same as saying an indecent society is the result of turning away from God. Clearly it's not. Clearly you can turn away from God and still maintain a decent soceity. And so you clearly don't need God or the Bible to be decent.